Can anyone tell me what a rake of Post Office vans might have been in the 1970s? i.e. how many POTs, how many POSs, and what other NPCSS might there have been?

Thanks
Bob

Quote from: Bob G on September 15, 2024, 08:56:08 AMCan anyone tell me what a rake of Post Office vans might have been in the 1970s? i.e. how many POTs, how many POSs, and what other NPCSS might there have been?

Thanks
Bob

Just checking but should that not be NPCCS (Non Passenger Carrying Coaching Stock)??

C', you OB's with your SAS's, talking about RS & consists trying to look all cool with your POT's & your POS's & your NPCCS's, are making the rest of us look like ROB's because we're not up on all the ATT's!

SOB's!

 

Quote from: Bob G on September 15, 2024, 08:56:08 AMCan anyone tell me what a rake of Post Office vans might have been in the 1970s? i.e. how many POTs, how many POSs, and
what other NPCSS might there have been?

Thanks

Bob

I'm not sure if you have seen rmweb or indeed any photos. Formation depended on the post office needs, route taken eg London Scotland, York Bristol, Whitehaven Huddersfield etc.

I tend to look at photos and see what is in any particular rake

Not sure, but isn't there a thread on the Forum somewhere already about Royal Mail formations? Presumably in the Real Railways thread, but don't know.

Martyn

Quote from: martyn on September 15, 2024, 10:03:52 AMNot sure, but isn't there a thread on the Forum somewhere already about Royal Mail formations? Presumably in the
Real Railways thread, but don't know.

Martyn

I could not see anything

Maybe wrong

I did see this book

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?
topic=55313.msg734947#msg7349

https://shop.keypublishing.com/products/modelling-br-parcels-and-mail-trains?srsltid=AfmBOooR4xUhhCrUgAH_dO0IVva8vv6zmp9LJUPgXrUZ
v09OjMIvyNLX


Bruce
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?
topic=36440.msg675433#msg675433

On his layout Peterhampton

Also

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42075.msg521408#msg521408

Hope this helps Martyn

Quote from: crewearpley40 on September 15, 2024, 10:17:32 AMhttps://shop.keypublishing.com/products/modelling-br-parcels-and-mail-trains?srsltid=AfmBOooR4xUhhCrUgAH_dO0IVva8vv6zmp9LJUPgXrUZ
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Had a look through my copy and no details there

From the 1972 timetables:
19:32 Bristol to Newcastle
GUV BG BG BG CK SLC POS POT POS POT BG
(Note Mk1 CK and sleeper in formation!)

20:30 Euston to Glasgow/Aberdeen
BG BG POT POS POS POT POS POS POS POT POT BG

22:45 Euston to Carlisle
BG BG POT POS POS POS POS POS BG

19:05 Glasgow to Euston
POT POS POS POT POS POT POS POS POS POS POT POT
(no BG which is unusual!)

22:25 Paddintgon to Penzance
GUV GUV BPOT POS POT POS POS BPOT Siphon-G GUV Siphon-G

Only 40 POT (stowage) vans were built - compared to 96 sorting vans. You'd also typically only find the POT on the longer distance TPO trains. Huddersfield to Workington generally only had POS and BG.


Looking at the formations above I'd suggest BG POS POT POS BG would be a reasonable starting point, with extra vans or passenger coaches added as the mood takes you. The BR(W) train features GWR Siphon G vans so don't worry about adding pre-nationalisation stock. Thompson, Stanier or Hawksworth BG would undoubtedly be seen.

Steven B

Great info, Steven.
Ta muchly

Quote from: Newportnobby on September 15, 2024, 10:44:42 AMGreat info, Steven.
Ta muchly

Steven that's appreciated
The Workington service often connected with London/ Scotland services and was short in formation

As mick says much appreciated.

Hi

What's a BPOT?  Or was that a typo?

Cheers


Tim

It's a Brake/Guard compartment equipped POT

Quote from: bluedepot on September 15, 2024, 11:32:21 AMHi

What's a BPOT?  Or was that a typo?

Cheers


Tim

There's a brake post office tender BPOT
https://www.lightstraw.uk/gpo/tpo/nvr/vans1.html
Nene Valley Railway


https://www.flickr.com/photos/55223176@N03/12743557974/
Peter Skuce

Quote from: martyn on September 15, 2024, 10:03:52 AMNot sure, but isn't there a thread on the Forum somewhere already about Royal Mail formations? Presumably in the Real Railways thread, but don't know.

Martyn

There's this one:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=54133.msg714327#msg714327

Tony
Thanks that's the comprehensive helpful link with photos. Appreciated