A British domestic train from Kato? 800 series available from May 2021

[Snowwolflair]

Flippin' 'eck - is there a lawyer in the house?

Only a plethora of barrack room lawyers.  It really is a shame, and I don't blame PaulCheffus as he had the grace to say "time will tell"

[timz01]

Both Rails and Hattons have the following terms and conditions:

Pricing policy
The price you pay will be the current price advertised on www.hattons.co.uk excluding any items that have been priced in error. In the event these circumstances occur you will be notified before any price adjustments are made and given the option to accept or reject the revised order.

or

he price advertised on Rails of Sheffield website will be the price charged at the time of the order being processed. This excludes errors in pricing (E & OE) in the event of an error with a price you will be contacted prior to the order being processed and given the option to accept the correct price or cancel the order.

A company is under no obligation to do any business with anyone, the website may take an order and the money, and they are within thier right to cancel and re-fund the money. (as long as they can show a contract has not been formed, as this can happen on delivery)

If the item had shipped and you had it in your hand then the circumstances would be very different and they would struggle to reclaim the money, though of course they could refuse to do any further business with you.

The following is from the citizens advice

Shopping online

Your legal rights depend on something fairly tricky in the law: whether or not you have a 'contract'.

Depending on the company's terms and conditions, you'll have legal rights (and a contract) either:

    once you've paid for the item
    once they've sent it to you

You'll need to find the company's terms and conditions to find out where you stand. Contact the Citizens Advice consumer helpline if you need help. It may be too tricky to work out yourself.

If you have a contract, the company can't usually cancel your order, even if they realise they've sold you something at the wrong price. They'll only be able to cancel it if it was a genuine and honest mistake on their part that you should've noticed.

If you don't have a contract and someone realises they've told you the wrong price, they can cancel your order.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/somethings-gone-wrong-with-a-purchase/if-something-is-advertised-at-the-wrong-price/

Ether way, this is a superb offering at a very compelling price, and i look forward to getting them next year!

[njee20]

I don't wish to perpetuate this any further, but I'd be very interested to know the specific case that is being referred to here, rather than just insults, it's a big claim that could do with reinforcement beyond "you're legally wrong".

However, As has been said repeatedly it also makes no difference whatsoever, they just cancel the order and refund. If someone tried to suggest I was legally obliged to honour the price I'd just cancel and refuse to sell to them. Entirely legally. Simple!

[red_death]

For obvious reasons I'm also interested in the case law David is referring to. No barrack room lawyer here, I'm used to interpret legislation and law cases as well for work.

[Snowwolflair]

I will look it out.  It was in a resent trading standards notification, however the point about "get out clauses" in retailers terms of business, is well made and may have legal seniority, I will check and I suspect they may be there because of the ruling.

[gc4946]

I'm interested in the LNER version  to run alongside my Transpennine 68 + (preordered) MK5A set 

I took the plunge and preordered the LNER version from Rails.

Kato is right offering 5-car sets initially, they'll be roughly the same length as a Dapol 2+5 HST, which I have room for on my layout.

[Trainfish]

I wish I'd never asked now about honouring the price 

However, I seem to remember this happened with either the class 33s or 50s from Dapol sold by at least 1 of these retailers and yes, the new price was due. My understanding also, and no I'm not a lawyer, is that the price is what is agreed between the buyer and seller when payment is taken or words to that effect. I'm not too worried about the cost difference as it is a good price for a 5 car set whichever is charged. I'm surprised Rails aren't doing free postage though, I thought they were doing that before for all locos over £100 weren't they? I hope I haven't stirred up another hornets' nest there 

[GlenEglise]

Shame about the interminable squabble above.

Anyways, I've ordered LNER Azuma train from Rails of Sheffield.


I see the train is also available as a Gaugemaster Train Pack with KATO Unitrack and controller.

Regards

[dannyboy]

Shame about the interminable squabble above.

Seems to have been a couple just lately. I blame Covid. 

Anyways, I've ordered LNER Azuma train from Rails of Sheffield.

I ordered the other one.

I see the train is also available as a Gaugemaster Train Pack with KATO Unitrack and controller.

Which is what I ordered as when Averingcliffe is finished, I will need some more track - and a spare controller will come in handy. 

[NLC1072]

Anybody know how long a set is? I need to know whether my platforms on Weston Parkway will accommodate a pair of them running in multiple... 

[njee20]

They scale to ~88cm.

[NLC1072]

They scale to ~88cm.

Thank you, that leaves me 20cm to spare then with a pair of them 

[njee20]

If I wanted one (which I don't as I don't model British N) I would buy from Japan. Pre-orders opened yesterday 27 November and the LNER version (GWR slightly cheaper) is £140 at todays JPY-GBP exchange rate. Royal Mail will charge you for handling the arrival in the UK but it usually comes out slightly cheaper overall than a UK price. 

I think you need to check your maths. They're ¥19125 at Plaza Japan, plus shipping at ~¥5000 which basically comes to £180. If you can get free shipping that's borderline worthwhile - add 20% VAT plus £14 handling fee is £182; you'd be mad to buy from Japan IMO.

[railsquid]

Returns etc. would also be less hassle. Admittedly the chances of issues with something from Kato are minimal, but not entirely absent.

[njee20]

Agreed, plus a higher risk of shipping damage or loss. I've used Plaza Japan before, but unless you planned to buy 10, thereby offsetting the postage and handling fees, it seems pointless.

I'm tempted to buy one merely to help sales and encourage Kato to expand into the UK market. Be awesome for them to start chipping through our EMUs!